I was privileged to interview two important voices in my life on the issue of racism in light of the murder of Ahmaud Arbery.

Marlena Graves is an author and activist. Her forthcoming book The Way Up is Down is a wake up call to have our eyes on the marginalized in our world.

Dennis Edwards is a professor of New Testament studies at North Park seminary. He has pastored urban churches, including Minneapolis where we met. His forthcoming book is Might from the Margins.

For the audio, go HERE.

For the video, go HERE.